Re: 2015 SCJ 177

From: Ish Sookun <ish_at_hacklog.in>
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2015 16:15:37 +0400

Hi Dan,

Thumbs up. Those are the best arguments supporting privacy I have seen
so far.

Cheers,

-- 
​Ish Sookun
- Geek by birth, Linux by choice.
- I blog at HACKLOG.in.
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On 6/6/15 12:17 PM, Daniel Laeng wrote:
>
> Hi Dhiruj,
>
> Since you are pro data-collection, and apparently you have nothing to
> hide, I'd appreciate if you could publish your passwords, bank records
> and hospital records on this mailing list.  We don't have a policy in
> place as to what we'd do with this data, but I can assure you we'll be
> looking out for your best interests.
>
>> Mauritius is full of data breaches
> Yes, and so is the rest of the world.  This is a serious problem, and a
> legitimate reason to limit the collection of data.
>
>> However when I look at Mauritius, of how far behind the country is
>> vis-a-vis the developed world, I can't help but think how education,
>> the health system, legal system, general bureaucracy etc could really
>> benefit from having our data recorded.
> You are making a direct link between recording data and the vast
> benefits you see from using the data in a postive way.  I doubt that
> link is anywhere near as direct as you think.
>
> Data collected in the EU is at least partially protected with protocols
> and privacy laws.  In Mauritius, I am not convinced the these policies
> are mature, or there is any form of enforcement in place.
>
>> We have a lot of catching up to do if we want this nation to be
>> intelligent, prosperous and a raised standard of living throughout our
>> country.
> Agreed.
>
>> Using Information tech with such data can have patients bodily
>> functions monitored from their own homes, education could be vastly
>> improved, without chance of plagiarism, monitoring students progress
>> on a daily basis throughout their 9 years of schooling, thus producing
>> a vastly superior education system (see Khan Academy as a broad example).
> Yes there are a lot of good things that can be done with technology.
> Yes monitoring systems can help in specific circumstances.  No it is not
> a magic bullet, and I doubt the technical expertise exist in Mauritius
> to develop these things (although yes, they can be purchased from
> overseas).  This also has nothing to do with biometric data on the ID card.
>
>> Voting would be accurate (and not people in Rose Belle stealing whole
>> ballot boxes, people voting twice etc), the whole country would become
>> efficient through data.
> So you think mass collection of personal data is a good idea in a
> country where voting is not stable?
>
>> So let's look at our lives as it is. If you're stopped for a crime and
>> you're innocent, chances are technology would have saved you rather
>> than having human error/greed/corruption, condemn you.
> This is called the "Nothing to hide argument
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument>", and it's often
> used by law enforcement. It's a fairly chilling concept for privacy, and
> I disagree with it strongly.
>
>> All our basic needs, education, legal, health, jobs, etc, will all
>> benefit from Data acquisition, starting from our personal data.
> Good luck with that.  Are you suggesting Facebook has improved my life
> somehow, because it collects lots of data?
>
>> And another thing. We have no problem revealing our deepest secrets to
>> Zuckerbergs' "Graph API" (re: Facebook), mapping the whole of
>> humanity, segmenting all personal data acquired for systematic target
>> marketing, influencing our behaviour (as zuckerberg once tried to do
>> as part of a secret experiment) etc.
>
> Actually yes I do, and I'm not alone.  The European governments have
> intervened several times in Facebook's and Google's data collection.
> What is the Mauritian governments track record?  What are the policies here?
>
>> We have no problem giving banks all our personal details, or hospitals
>> all our medical information. Yet all this information is kept in paper
>> files or easily accessible systems.
> My bank only knows about some of my financial details.  My hospital only
> knows about my medical information.  I am under the impression that
> neither my bank nor my hospital is allowed to give my details to a 3rd
> party.  I would like to keep it that way.
>
> I do not know how secure my information is in the bank or hospital, and
> I'm sure it could be improved.  Since I consider it reasonable for my
> hospital to have access to my health data, I accept the risks that come
> with that.  In other countries any data breaches are treated very
> seriously, and there are forced disclosure laws in place.  I don't know
> what the laws and practices are like here.
>
>> My point, at the end of this is, are we giving too much importance to
>> the, so-called, "privacy" we THINK we currently "enjoy"? ... or has
>> our privacy already been compromised 20 years ago?
> My point is that it's a delicate balancing act.  We have had much of our
> data eroded in the last 20 years, and things are going to continue in
> that way as data collection becomes technically easier. I think it's
> important to guard our private data, and good governments are doing
> exactly that.  I think your "collect all data" view is rather invasive.
>
> The Government should not be collecting data that it cannot handle in a
> responsible way.  So, I'd prefer to keep my data private for now.
>
> Dan.
Received on Sat Jun 06 2015 - 12:15:58 PST

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