Re: Code of Conduct for MIU
Hello all,
Ish Sookun<ish_at_lsl.digital>, 2016-01-11 15:37:
> You have a strong point, but, as Mauritius Internet Users considered
having a group of people working for the advancement of internet in
Mauritius, I was somehow more in favour of having people who contribute,
rather than having readers.
Spreading knowledge and keeping people informed of the state of the
internet – websites, technology, connectivity…, is itself working for
the advancement of internet in Mauritius. Even if readers are not
contributing to ‘the cause’, they are the part of the purpose the
mailing list should strive to achieve, i.e. education and awareness.
Ish Sookun<ish_at_lsl.digital>, 2016-01-11 15:37:
> Nothing prevents people from reading the mailing list archives
regularly. In fact, it's one of the purpose, to allow non-subscribers
stay informed of internet-related activities in Mauritius.
Unfortunately the mailing list archive is far from user friendly. The
link to the archive itself cannot be found anywhere. In the age of web
applications and facebook users, I wish to make a strong appeal not to
increase the difficulty level of the mailing list usage or perception
thereof for the general public.
Also, email has the advantage of being ‘push’ rather than ‘pull’,
whereas the archives requires that the user visits the site and selects
a starting point to start browsing. Also worth mentioning is the absence
of a built-in search mechanism (of course a search engine can be used,
but this is not of common knowlege).
A suggestion in this regard would be availability of rss feeds, but then
again I remain sceptical with respect of this technology – although
having the mailing list in xml format would render it very malleable and
presentable in various formats.
Ish Sookun<ish_at_lsl.digital>, 2016-01-11 15:37:
> I may argue, that at some point if a non-subscriber wants to
contribute to a specific topic, he/she could send an email to the
mailing list. The appearance of the email to the list is subject to
approval. There are emails on the list that non-subscribers sent & they
appear.
It would be interesting to know more about the approval process.
Ish Sookun<ish_at_lsl.digital>, 2016-01-11 15:37:
> Yes, LKML is a high volume mailing list and precisely that is why it
can't be moderated as the Mauritius Internet Users ML. Your suggestion
could be effective if we received hundreds of useful emails from
non-subscribers on a weekly basis. At the moment, I suggest we keep it
strict.
Moderation and restricted membership are separate issues.
Ish Sookun<ish_at_lsl.digital>, 2016-01-11 15:37:
> It becomes difficult to quantify the size of the group with inactive
subscribers.
I am sure technically it would not be an issue to get active
subscribers. The problem would be to determine the most active users
from the sporadic ones.
Ish Sookun<ish_at_lsl.digital>, 2016-01-11 15:37:
> Otherwise, we might say we're a group of 500 people with 5 active
participants.
Semantics my dear Ish.
- We are a group of 500 people with 5 active participants.
- We are a group of 5 people with a readership of 495 people
- We are a group of 5 people (if we cleansed the 495 non participants)
It would be interesting to know if the need to quantify the most active
users greater than the purpose the MIU seeks to fulfill with regards to
awareness and knowledge (see above).
Regards,
❱ Muhammad Yusuf ABDOOL SATAR
– ❝Vitae Non Scholae Discendum❞
✍ fx_at_fluxy.net
☕ Web Developer, Free Thinker
On 1/11/16 3:37 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
> Hi Yusuf,
>
> On 01/11/2016 02:11 PM, Yusuf Satar wrote:
>>
>> The purpose of a mailing list is two-fold:
>> - Group people sharing a common interest, allowing them to communicate
>> and share ideas, and to prepare a common course of action.
>> - Serve as a newsletter, to allow people to keep informed. Whether or
>> not they contribute is irrelevant:
>> + If they do not contribute, at least they will be informed about
>> Mauritius Internet Issues – thus MIU is useful to them
>> + They may at some point come across an issue whereby they can help
>> or they feel concerned and their input may be extremely valuable – more
>> than the cost of preserving their membership (the costs of sending an
>> email are minimal)
>>
>
> You have a strong point, but, as Mauritius Internet Users considered
> having a group of people working for the advancement of internet in
> Mauritius, I was somehow more in favour of having people who contribute,
> rather than having readers. In my opinion, MIU is not just another
> mailing list. Nothing prevents people from reading the mailing list
> archives regularly. In fact, it's one of the purpose, to allow
> non-subscribers stay informed of internet-related activities in Mauritius.
>
> I may argue, that at some point if a non-subscriber wants to contribute
> to a specific topic, he/she could send an email to the mailing list. The
> appearance of the email to the list is subject to approval. There are
> emails on the list that non-subscribers sent & they appear.
>
>> One of the biggest, if not THE biggest mailing list, is LKML [1] - the
>> Linux Kernel Mailing List, consisting of the Linux Kernel Development
>> team. However anyone can join (at their own risk, since it is a very
>> high traffic mailing list), irrespective of their ability or rate of
>> contribution.
>>
>
> Yes, LKML is a high volume mailing list and precisely that is why it
> can't be moderated as the Mauritius Internet Users ML. Your suggestion
> could be effective if we received hundreds of useful emails from
> non-subscribers on a weekly basis. At the moment, I suggest we keep it
> strict.
>
>> Thus I strongly disapprove of the idea of cleansing the mailing list
>> from non-participating users.
>>
>
> It becomes difficult to quantify the size of the group with inactive
> subscribers. Otherwise, we might say we're a group of 500 people with 5
> active participants.
>
>> It makes sense however, whenever there are activities that a task force
>> be formed from the active users – given circumstances and availability
>> of seats.
>>
>
> This will be a fair thing to do. I agree.
>
>>
>> Perhaps a better alternative would be to invite non-active users to
>> renew their subscription once a year.
>>
>
> This is a nice suggestion. Even if I was in favour of having something
> formalized to let subscribers know they're being removed from the list,
> I find this suggestion & argument more constructive.
>
> Regards,
>
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