-- *"Sky is the limit", huh**? * *There is nothing like "limit", it's just a word used by someone, who don't want you to surpass him or her.* On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:13 PM, S Moonesamy <sm+mu_at_elandsys.com> wrote: > Hello, > At 07:50 03-05-2015, fluxy wrote: > >> There is no real definition out there as to what *really* constitutes an >> app. Many websites run some form of Javascript but where do we draw the >> line between web app and website? >> > > I would look at it in terms of web service and web application. It is > common for web sites to use Javascript nowadays; are those web sites > Webapps? As you mentioned, there isn't any real definition. > > I think richness of functionality, how data is treated and to which >> extent it integrates native ui has a lot to do with that. >> > > Yes. There is, for example, a local storage API nowadays. > > UI-wise I think the app works pretty well other than the small >> improvements suggested by Sun. Only may I add that the page is quite long >> and somehow tedious to fill. Multi-page form with progress bar and >> different icons per page anyone? Also instead of simply mentioning the « >> Definitions as per Data Protection Act 2004 », why not underline the >> technical terms on the forms with an icon and a tooltip (the information is >> there when it is needed). >> > > Nadim, Nirvan and I actually discussed about whether to use a multi-page > format. The decision was to show the questions in one screen so that the > user is aware of what questions will be asked. > > I did not suggest having more hyperlinks or using tooltips as we were > running out of time. There was a backend to generate the questionaire. > Those features would require changes to the backend. > > As far as richness of functionality is concerned, I do believe there is >> room for improvement. >> > > Yes. > > 0. I got a wrong answer for question ¸, fair enough. What impact could it >> have on my organisation? What does the law (which section) say about it >> exactly (a reference at least)? >> > > Please see the data protection principles in the First Schedule of the > Act. There is also some information about the principles in the FAQ > section. The impact is that your organisation would not be in compliance > with the Data Protection Act (2004). Some of the questions are not written > as such in the law. The application advises you to seek advice from a data > protection practitioner for the incorrect answers. > > 1. After submitting the form, I am given 3 pieces of advice in red. These >> are too generic (like someone goes to the doctor, tells him/her a list of >> symptoms, and the doctor says, you need some rest, try to have some >> medicine and if you are unsure, please see a specialist). What would be >> better is a list of actions recommended (checklist) for the >> > > Yes. > > person as per the answers given. This provides a more pragmatic approach >> to the whole affair, the person is more aware as to what exactly needs to >> be done. >> > > The problem is that it is not possible to recommend a list of actions > without knowing the details of the case. There would also have to be a lot > of disclaimers for recommendations in an application. > > 2. Also, after submitting the form, the person is given a green and red >> box, but no indication as to the scale of how good and how bad things are. >> Ok, I missed a couple of points, but is it serious doc? (A scale perhaps? A >> percentage? A grade?) >> > > There isn't a scale, a grade or a percentage. Either the organisation is > compliant or it isn't. The "red box" is to highlight that the organisation > might not be compliant. > > 3. The person is required to print the form. I tried printing it (to a >> pdf format admittedly), but where did the green and red go? The printed >> version is black and white and there is no indication as to whether each >> answer is correct or not. Even if the person were to choose to print black >> and white (many offices have laser b&w printers), why are there no >> indication (other than color) to make it evident? >> > > I don't recall whether that functionality has been tested. I'll see what > can be done about this problem. > > 4. Assume an employee performs this test, and wants to discuss the >> results with his/her manager. The manager sees the form and tells the >> employee, « no you made a mistake for the question ¸, we actually do cater >> for this thing, please correct this and come again». What happens? The >> employee has to start all over again? There are means to resolve this, e.g. >> save on server side (ok privacy issues), provide a url to prefill the form, >> allow the data to be saved client side (html5 ftw), export the form state >> to a format (json, password encrypted json ... ). >> > > I understand what you are asking for. I'll say no because of the privacy > issues. I'll comment about the employee doing the test below. > > 5. Seriously why no email? Warn the user of potential risks associated >> but why limit the choice? An email can be sent for consideration to a >> manager, who will read it according to his/her availability instead of >> waiting in line to meet the manager face to face to show a piece of paper. >> Pragmatism and choice. >> > > Email will cause a privacy issue. It is better for us to limit the choice > so that the application does not collect any personal data. > > 6. Web app (if it is one) to mobile app is a short leap with the >> availability of tools such as Cordova, PhoneGap etc. >> >> 7. Who is your audience? Could it be wise to define different sets of >> questions based on the audience? Debatable, but point to ponder. Different >> people in an organisation have different roles and visibilities, and as >> such may have different applicable questions. >> > > The audience is "those who have responsibilities for data protection, and > should be answered (i.e. by the nominated person who is responsible for > data protection in your organisation)". > > I am sorry if I do seem harsh, this is far from my intention. My opinion >> was asked, and here it is. The design looks good, and it is fluid. I guess >> this is a decent v1, but if the application were to be as useful as its >> usefulness has been lauded by the nice lady who did the presentation, and >> were it to be more than just an electronic version of a paper questionnaire >> (and more of a web app), I do believe there are avenues that need to be >> further explored. >> > > It is good feedback. This is the type of feedback I find useful. > > The project took four months. It required a lot of effort to go beyond an > electronic version of a paper questionnaire. Near the end of the project I > asked for features to be removed or not be added as the developers were > putting in too much free time into the application. There was also some > project management issues as we haven't done an open source software in > Mauritius previously. The plan for the presentation was for developers to > be able to ask some of the questions which you asked above. I cut off that > part of the presentation as there wasn't any time left for that. It was > unfortunate as one of the developers in the audience mentioned that he came > to the presentation to discuss about the application. > > At 09:09 03-05-2015, Sruti Jughdharree wrote: > >> Some points I want to point out are that: >> I do agree that the logo hides some contents. >> > > Yes, that has to be fixed. > > I do not understand why in the Compliance Assessment section, for some >> questions, there is only the choice between yes or no. What if the user >> does not know or is not sure about what to answer. >> > > A "no" answer will be used for assessing the choices of the user if the > user does not know or not sure what to answer. I'll use an example: do > you have a policy on data protection in your organisation? If a person > responsible for data protection answers "not sure", how could the person > even be given the responsiblity for data protection? > > Also, I submitted the form without answering any question. Consequently, >> the result was full of answers I did not even answer. >> > > The default answer will be used if you do not answer any question. > > It would be nice if there was some sort of error message in case any >> question is missed. >> Hope that this will help. >> > > It may be possible to catch the above case. > > Regards, > S. Moonesamy > > > -- *"Sky is the limit", huh**? * *There is nothing like "limit", it's just a word used by someone, who don't want you to surpass him or her.*Received on Mon May 04 2015 - 05:29:46 PST
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